whip x grey 276 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 calm down rich ,,,,i know where yer coming from,,,,i know at lurcher events ,,,there rules apply,,,and you entered ,,,no under 23in or over in racing was heard off lol but being on hunting life ,,,times have flown past us lol i know some folk that bought peds,,,but no papers,,,if they wanted them,,,they had to send away for them £££££ i,e they werent intrested as they bought a whippet to rabbit,,,not go to fairs,at the top off there mind at time,,,but now might want to go to fairs and have a go at showing and racing ,,,,,but no papers,,,or as ive said they have maybe line breed whippet to whippet,,,,and without doubt have no papers now there no easy soloution to the problem,,,,and i would hate to be an organiser at these event or judge,,,,as unfortantly kc whippets with papers keep wanting to push the issue,,,,,,yet they dont relise,,,A WHIPPET IS OFF GREYHOUND TYPE,,,,ITS THERE ANCESTORY,,,no matter how they try to breed the grey out,,,,they will always be the small greyhound,,,,and shouldnt go for silly ammounts ££££,,,or get up set if a whippet beat them that might have had grey in line 30years ago lol but as moderen times move on,,,,we should pull toghter and accomaded as we all pay the same money to enter events,,,and should try to accomadte each,,,as end off day ,,,rossettes 50p,,,trophy couple off quid i know ive changed my tune rich over the last year,,,but somtimes best going with the flow,,,it will work out in the end same as bwra ,,,trying to kill off scratch racers,,,,but owever when they 1st started ,,,scratch racers were a good deal smaller,,,,everything goes full circle in the end lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themaverick 110 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 the problem started when non hunting folk started 2 get involved, like keeping dogs just 4 racing.working dog shows were 4 people who hunt dogs 2 meet and have a bit of fun and a chat,see what dogs are coming on etc.lurchers are meant 2 have more stay and brains than pure sight hounds.would simulated with jumps over a long distance not proove the better dog.the master mcgrath at shanes was about 150yards the terriers raced the same distance that day,then the all ireland lurcher was run alot longer minutes later?? why was this???.even greyhounds have a few bends.lurchers are sight hounds crossed with non sight hounds.sight hounds crossed with other sight hounds are not lurchers they are long dogs the reason it was only 150yrds is because two different lures on the day quit working....and the one that they finally used had to be shortened,as the line snaped...the final was re-run as it quit before the line, id like to see the racing over 400yrds, it would suit my lad perfect the longer the better! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themaverick 110 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet janet not all work there whippets there is a black and white and the words from the owners mouth was i would not work him in case he gets injured and he say's he wasn't beaten which he was Jeez this must be a first Danny, am agreeing with you twice in the one nite lol. I know exactly what you are talking about!! maybe we are getting somewhere if people are starting to agree with danny 300 lol i must be saying some thing right all along like the old saying goes if you cant beat us danny...join us!!lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pothunter 33 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 the problem started when non hunting folk started 2 get involved, like keeping dogs just 4 racing.working dog shows were 4 people who hunt dogs 2 meet and have a bit of fun and a chat,see what dogs are coming on etc.lurchers are meant 2 have more stay and brains than pure sight hounds.would simulated with jumps over a long distance not proove the better dog.the master mcgrath at shanes was about 150yards the terriers raced the same distance that day,then the all ireland lurcher was run alot longer minutes later?? why was this???.even greyhounds have a few bends.lurchers are sight hounds crossed with non sight hounds.sight hounds crossed with other sight hounds are not lurchers they are long dogs the reason it was only 150yrds is because two different lures on the day quit working....and the one that they finally used had to be shortened,as the line snaped...the final was re-run as it quit before the line, id like to see the racing over 400yrds, it would suit my lad perfect the longer the better! but why could it not be run the same distance as the all ireland which was run shortly after? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shane-1 31 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 It's looking like we are possibly going to have the following races during the show season:- KC Whippets with papers KC Whippets no papers under 21" under 23" over 23" iam thinking the same dazz,,,,,but i think its important they run the supreme,,,,or choose not to on the day ,,,,as it might cause arguments lol i,e i have the fastest kc paper whippet ,,,no you dont i have the quickest working no papers whippet so a supreme run off should be an oppion for them ,,,,if one declines then ,,the other the winner , no aruguments ive been in same decision ,,,when english came up to race on there holidays ,,,,knowing i wouldnt win on supreme run off ,,,having the dog,,,and running off with bitches giving a head start ,,,peggy sue and pick pocket,,,,but i ran off all the same as allthou i knew i was beat ,,i seen it as bad sortmanship lol,,,but when it comes to that stage no one cares as the best two dogs have fought it out all day,,,and it came down two just the two,,,,and who ever wins owners and spectors dont care ,,,and are spectors are 1st to clap and cheer both dogs on as this is what the day steamed too,,,two dogs battling it out at end ,,,BOTH ARE WINNERS IN THE RUN OFF same can apply to this event ,,,,as it wont take up any more time,,,,as its like running off to a semi final ,,,then meeting each other for a supreme run off,,,,the prizes dont have to change much,,,just smaller prizes for each final,,each get small trophy or rossette,,,then supreme get bag off dog food either main trophy or bigger rossette ,,,that way its done and dusted pheeeewww,,lol,,,no breed off dog argued more than a whippet lol for last 100years that way owners pay there money to enter alberts event,,,and everyones happy ,,,,,,GOOD LUCK ALBERT,,,,I WOULDNT WANT YER JOB LOL,,,,OR SHANES AND TEAM WHO RUN RACING LOL its no prob bob if people dont like the set up they dont ave to run we dont twist anyones arms[not yet]lol its inpossible to keep everyone happy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themaverick 110 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 the problem started when non hunting folk started 2 get involved, like keeping dogs just 4 racing.working dog shows were 4 people who hunt dogs 2 meet and have a bit of fun and a chat,see what dogs are coming on etc.lurchers are meant 2 have more stay and brains than pure sight hounds.would simulated with jumps over a long distance not proove the better dog.the master mcgrath at shanes was about 150yards the terriers raced the same distance that day,then the all ireland lurcher was run alot longer minutes later?? why was this???.even greyhounds have a few bends.lurchers are sight hounds crossed with non sight hounds.sight hounds crossed with other sight hounds are not lurchers they are long dogs the reason it was only 150yrds is because two different lures on the day quit working....and the one that they finally used had to be shortened,as the line snaped...the final was re-run as it quit before the line, id like to see the racing over 400yrds, it would suit my lad perfect the longer the better! but why could it not be run the same distance as the all ireland which was run shortly after? i believe it was run over the same distance this year as the mastermcgrath , but i could be wrong.....the all irelands usely over 250yrds at least... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flash3241 32 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 the all irelands a few years back was touchin over 400 yrds the only reason it was short cuz the lure broke down an the master mcgrath is 150 because they wanted it 2 b that length they could do with puttin the race track somewhere else away from that ditch its goin 2 cause a dog some damage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kegs 40 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 im no race expert but id say the mcgrath was 150 yrds as it was both small and large dogs runnin.it was about the closest race i seen in a long time.flash surely dogs that have seen as much work as yours wouldnt worry about a bit of a ditch along a field put all the whippets in together and anyone that has anything to say about the breeding of one of them spit it out on the line or get on with it 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Well said kegs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 the problem started when non hunting folk started 2 get involved, like keeping dogs just 4 racing.working dog shows were 4 people who hunt dogs 2 meet and have a bit of fun and a chat,see what dogs are coming on etc.lurchers are meant 2 have more stay and brains than pure sight hounds.would simulated with jumps over a long distance not proove the better dog.the master mcgrath at shanes was about 150yards the terriers raced the same distance that day,then the all ireland lurcher was run alot longer minutes later?? why was this???.even greyhounds have a few bends.lurchers are sight hounds crossed with non sight hounds.sight hounds crossed with other sight hounds are not lurchers they are long dogs the reason it was only 150yrds is because two different lures on the day quit working....and the one that they finally used had to be shortened,as the line snaped...the final was re-run as it quit before the line, id like to see the racing over 400yrds, it would suit my lad perfect the longer the better! but why could it not be run the same distance as the all ireland which was run shortly after? i believe it was run over the same distance this year as the mastermcgrath , but i could be wrong.....the all irelands usely over 250yrds at least... As I said earlier our full proposals for the lurcher, whippet and terrier events at our three Game Fairs will be published when we have our final arrangements in place. But I thought I should answer a few points made on the forum: 1. We did not put on classes for whippets because we 'saw £ signs' but rather because a number of people approached me to put classes on. It certainly wasn't because of £signs as at one stage the Mid Antrim suggested we drop the whippets because it wasn't worthwhile for them to put on classes and the prizes we were putting up would be better put elsewhere! But when I took soundings from a whippet enthusiast he suggested that we should persist with the classes and extebnd them.. I then decided that we should put MORE whippet classes on - not for revenue purposes as this was done at a cost to us but rather that whippet owners had fairer and better competition opportunities. However as the organising club takes the entry fees if I fully costed the whippet events to the fair account I think the £s would definitely be going the other way! 2. I made the decision to run the The Master Mc Grath Final over 150 yards after full discussions with a number of people. It was judged to be a distance that would bring large and smaller dogs together as fairly as possible. The results appeared to confirm our decision was right. Qualifiers for the event could be run over whatever distance the organisers of the qualifying event wished to set. 3. The All Ireland Championships Racing at Shanes was run over c 250 -300 yards and will continue to be run over that distance. 4,. The new Director's Challenge Novice event sponsored by Philip Lawton and ICS&CL magazine will be run over 150 yards. With the same rationale as point 2. After extensive discussions we have decided that it will be run with three sets of qualifiers on the Saturday at Shanes. There will be a set of qualifying heats for 1. Rough Coated Lurchers 2. Terrier Bred Lurchers and 3. Sight hound bred lurchers. There will be a prize structure for each grouping and the top two from each category will run off in a grand six dog final. The only qualifying criterion is that the dog has not previously won a race. Top prize for the challenge is €300 put up by my colleague Philip Lawton. I will look after good prizes for the group winners. Personally I think it will make a great spectacle to see different types of lurchers compete over a distance which should ensure close racing. Regarding whippet classifications we will make a final decision on this soon but this will be based on trying to allow the maximum number of people to compete with their dogs. Albertj 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themaverick 110 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 the all irelands a few years back was touchin over 400 yrds the only reason it was short cuz the lure broke down an the master mcgrath is 150 because they wanted it 2 b that length they could do with puttin the race track somewhere else away from that ditch its goin 2 cause a dog some damage hey flash i was grateful for that wee ditch a few years back only for it i doubt if i would have won...some dogs could not handle it...it explains how i got up to win after being 6 lengths behind at half way! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 the all irelands a few years back was touchin over 400 yrds the only reason it was short cuz the lure broke down an the master mcgrath is 150 because they wanted it 2 b that length they could do with puttin the race track somewhere else away from that ditch its goin 2 cause a dog some damage hey flash i was grateful for that wee ditch a few years back only for it i doubt if i would have won...some dogs could not handle it...it explains how i got up to win after being 6 lengths behind at half way! Before anyone thinks the Shanes Castle race track resembles a 'simulated' course with ditches to jump etc. What is being referred to as a 'ditch' is actually a dip. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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