Shoots needing beaters?

[PuBS 1]

on the contrary greek phil i do believe you have!!

anyway im getting on with sorting out my own life and letting the beaters get on with beating.

did anyone read the Field this month apparently gentlemen are now becoming beaters!! The article is just an outdated opinonated ramble trying to reinforce the class system, where i beat everyone is an equal on board the wagon, no distinctions, and we have retired gps, barristers, civil servants, military et al all beating and all enjoying the craic - thats what beating is about. the author describes a beaters flag made with 4x2 - id like to see even Geoff capes wave that for long, full of inaccuracies too, demotes the CEO of NOBS, and gives a lot of incorrect information

I would have thought that the Editor of a top range country magazine would have been more aware,or employed better proof readers and researchers.

[Greek Phil 5]

on the contrary greek phil i do believe you have!!

anyway im getting on with sorting out my own life and letting the beaters get on with beating.

did anyone read the Field this month apparently gentlemen are now becoming beaters!! The article is just an outdated opinonated ramble trying to reinforce the class system, where i beat everyone is an equal on board the wagon, no distinctions, and we have retired gps, barristers, civil servants, military et al all beating and all enjoying the craic - thats what beating is about. the author describes a beaters flag made with 4x2 - id like to see even Geoff capes wave that for long, full of inaccuracies too, demotes the CEO of NOBS, and gives a lot of incorrect information

I would have thought that the Editor of a top range country magazine would have been more aware,or employed better proof readers and researchers.

 

Believe what ever you like NIck. Proof of the pudding is firmly in the eating. Who's the one with the dedicated web site......certainly not I

 

The Field is nothing short of a tweaked version of the Tatler mate. Aimed at the Chelsea set. Having said that I don't mind reading the 3 month old hand me downs. They have some very tasty crumpet in there from time to time. Besides I'd rather spend 30 mins reading the Field than 10 minute with the Countymans Weekly or as we call it Poachers News.

[PuBS 1]

That sounds like jerky or someone from another site commenting now. How patronising you are, first disparaging the Field and then,perhaps to show how even handed you are, Countrymans Weekly.

Unlike a snob like you I have attended Earth Dog Running Dog in Derbyshire, salt of the earth people, even if a few are somewhat rough around the edges, and I bet they all read Countrymans Weekly as do I when I can get it.

They are particpants in countryside sports, whether you care to acknowledge them or not, and they far outnumber those with bespoke English guns and I for one do not wish them to stop.

They are part of our countryside, do invaluable work, and even if they nick the odd bird or fur here and there are much preferred to the semi professional gangs we get round here by all the keepers I know, as they dont like others on their local patch.

[Greek Phil 5]

Patronising ...Moi? Never! Nor am I even handed. I stand firmly on one side of the fence. The side of legitimate field sports.

 

Like I said I like The Field. Countrymans Weekly or as it should be titled Poachers News' It's a low brow as the News of The World when compared to The Field. What you see fit to term salt of the earth others see fit to have a less vaulted opinion of. Personally I take all and everyone as I find them rather than trying to fit them into some sort a selection box by way of carrying favour and appeasement . What they read is of on interest to me. . Judging by some of the posts I have seen around the various fora I have my doubts about that they can read at all.

What was once legal is now illegal as well you know. Personally I have only ever supported legitimate country sports. As for numbers it's obvious to anyone with an unclouded eye that their numbers are fast diminishing as they become increasingly isolated from the legitimate country sportman and the general public as a whole. Bespoke English shotguns have always been the preserve of the appreciate few. Simply due to their cost. Give me the man with a pair of best London side locks any day of the week.As the vast majority that I have had the pleasure of meeting have been true gentlemen.

 

Pray what invaluable work do poachers and illegal dogmen do? Apart from allow you do indulge your sense of the romantic. I have news for you NIck It ain't romantic in the slightest Its just illegal!

 

As a side note. I thought you had decided to crawl back under your stone some 4 or 5 posts ago? But I some how knew you couldn't resist coming back out into the day light again.

 

Atb

[PoshPikey 560]

Why don't you two get a room , have a good f**k and get it out your systems. You do both realise that we only have a finite amount of time on earth and wasting it bickering is pathetic.

[PuBS 1]

I am just wondering what such a snob is doing on this forum anyway.

I read the Field, and Countrymans Weekly,Shooting Times etc al.

I appreciate dogs of all kinds, if fit for purpose, long dogs, sight hounds etc, and there are still legal prey species for them to be used on, gundogs including HPRS and the usual labs,spaniels,setters,pointers, etc etc. To see a dog , which has been bred for a purpose over centuries, doing its job, irrespective of what that job is, is imho a wonderful sight.

Take people as you find them,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm then state that the owner of a bespoke pair of guns are mostly gentlemen.

No such being.

Men of all sorts shoot and hunt, I enjoy the company of lords etc as much as the company of a local peasant such as me.

I dont believe that the numbers of long dogs are diminishing at all in fact locally I see more and more, some are working dogs.

I do detect the public school boy class distinction mind set, not me I went to a good school - very good it was "Approved"

[macca 83]

pair of nobs

[macca 83]

or should that be pubs

[Greek Phil 5]

I am just wondering what such a snob is doing on this forum anyway.

I read the Field, and Countrymans Weekly,Shooting Times etc al.

I appreciate dogs of all kinds, if fit for purpose, long dogs, sight hounds etc, and there are still legal prey species for them to be used on, gundogs including HPRS and the usual labs,spaniels,setters,pointers, etc etc. To see a dog , which has been bred for a purpose over centuries, doing its job, irrespective of what that job is, is imho a wonderful sight.

Take people as you find them,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm then state that the owner of a bespoke pair of guns are mostly gentlemen.

No such being.

Men of all sorts shoot and hunt, I enjoy the company of lords etc as much as the company of a local peasant such as me.

I dont believe that the numbers of long dogs are diminishing at all in fact locally I see more and more, some are working dogs.

I do detect the public school boy class distinction mind set, not me I went to a good school - very good it was "Approved"

 

My my Nick you are one for the compliments. Now I'm a snob.

As they say there's no fool like an old fool. Expect perhaps one with an obsession and a chip on his shoulder.

 

We obviously move in different circles if you believe there are no such things as gentlemen. It's sad that you feel so embittered.

 

Detect what ever you like old chap. You'll still be wrong!

 

Perhaps if you spent more time developing your web sites and less time scurrying around the various fora trying to drum up trade you'd be taken more seriously. Sadly I can't see that happening. The obsession is to great.

[Bulldogman 55]

Shouldn't that read too great.

 

So much for public school education.........

 

As I am a night shift with little to do except wait for a disaster I have read this thread and cannot believe that you two gentlemen have nothing better to do than play internet insult ping pong across this forum.

 

I have used NOBS services, unfortunately they cant find me anything suitable. I have been on PUBS same thing. NOBS may have cost me a fiver but they did send me a family gamefair ticket once; that I gave to a colleague who took his granddaughter for a day out and he now has a renewed interest in getting a dog...so fair play to NOBS.

 

Fieldsports should be about breaking down boundries and whilst I accept that there will allways be those privileged few who can shoot on the 12th and who can take the time out to chase a McNab, most participants are ordinary working men and women who do it to get out of the rat race for a while. I agree there should be discouragement of illegal hunting practises that show no regard for quarry management, the same as excessive bags should be frowned upon....

 

Introducing divisions like the NOBS/PUBS split can only harm fieldsports in general, do your own thing, enjoy your time in open air away from computers and GET A LIFE the pair of you....

 

Yours from someone who has had his letters printed in everything from The Field to the CMW.....lol

[blackandgreen 84]

Shouldn't that read too great.

 

So much for public school education.........

 

As I am a night shift with little to do except wait for a disaster I have read this thread and cannot believe that you two gentlemen have nothing better to do than play internet insult ping pong across this forum.

 

I have used NOBS services, unfortunately they cant find me anything suitable. I have been on PUBS same thing. NOBS may have cost me a fiver but they did send me a family gamefair ticket once; that I gave to a colleague who took his granddaughter for a day out and he now has a renewed interest in getting a dog...so fair play to NOBS.

 

Fieldsports should be about breaking down boundries and whilst I accept that there will allways be those privileged few who can shoot on the 12th and who can take the time out to chase a McNab, most participants are ordinary working men and women who do it to get out of the rat race for a while. I agree there should be discouragement of illegal hunting practises that show no regard for quarry management, the same as excessive bags should be frowned upon....

 

Introducing divisions like the NOBS/PUBS split can only harm fieldsports in general, do your own thing, enjoy your time in open air away from computers and GET A LIFE the pair of you....

 

Yours from someone who has had his letters printed in everything from The Field to the CMW.....lol

 

Superb post!

[Greek Phil 5]

Shouldn't that read too great.

 

So much for public school education.........

 

Yes you're right. Less haste more speed!

 

A public school educations is great if you can get it. Some of us simply had to slog our way thru a Comprehensive, College, and the University of life.

 

As I am a night shift with little to do except wait for a disaster I have read this thread and cannot believe that you two gentlemen have nothing better to do than play internet insult ping pong across this forum.

 

I have used NOBS services, unfortunately they cant find me anything suitable. I have been on PUBS same thing. NOBS may have cost me a fiver but they did send me a family gamefair ticket once; that I gave to a colleague who took his granddaughter for a day out and he now has a renewed interest in getting a dog...so fair play to NOBS.

 

Fieldsports should be about breaking down boundries and whilst I accept that there will allways be those privileged few who can shoot on the 12th and who can take the time out to chase a McNab, most participants are ordinary working men and women who do it to get out of the rat race for a while. I agree there should be discouragement of illegal hunting practises that show no regard for quarry management, the same as excessive bags should be frowned upon....

 

Introducing divisions like the NOBS/PUBS split can only harm fieldsports in general, do your own thing, enjoy your time in open air away from computers and GET A LIFE the pair of you....

 

Yours from someone who has had his letters printed in everything from The Field to the CMW.....lol

 

At least we have kept you from pushing the big red button or what ever it is you have to do to have a disaster.

 

Congratulations on getting your letters printed. I've only managed to get letters printed in the Shooting Gazette and the Shooting Times. A few years apart on two different subjects.

 

Perhaps we could start a McNab of our own where you have to get a letter printed in 3 of the UK's field sports publications on the same subject.

Edited August 26, 2011 by Greek Phil

[Bulldogman 55]

Well i am awaiting my third pair of hunters from ST this year, have had Shooting Gazette three times i think, Sporting Shooter (inc winning the Musto Coat), The Field, CMW and Sporting Gun so I think long night shifts with little to occupy me shows through...

 

My point is that i don't have any option but to sit in front of a screen on long night shifts, wishing i could be out with my dog or out in the woods gun in hand. Why on your evenings you would rather debate the NOBS/PUBS split than do something more constructive in the real world is beyond me.

 

ATB

 

Rob K

[Greek Phil 5]

Sounds as if you'll not be wanting to buy any wellies for a while. I've never seen a copy of Sporting Shooter so wouldn't know what you had to do to win the coat. At least the long nights loclked into that screen have reaped some rewards.

 

As I have no call to wander the land at night with a dog at heal and get more than enough time both day and night with a gun in my hand.Spending a few hours discussing differences of opinion is simply another way of exercising the parts that the day job doesn't reach. In short its just entertainment whilst I wait for something more important to occupy my time.

[PuBS 1]

As far as I am concerned there is no NOBS/PUBS split, in fact there is a link to NOBS on PuBS and Greek Phil has stated that he has never been a member of either, so I dont really understand why he seems to view me in such a negative light!

NOBS and PuBS endeavour to get more people involved in shoorting sports, one charges fees the other does not, simples really.

I just happen to also enjoy seeing dogs of all sorts doing the job they were bred for,, within legal constraints of course, and I read all sorts of literature and magazines related to those sports and I do not seek to differentiate between any sort of people - gentlemen and peasant are born into this world the same way after all.