Lab 10,979 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I used my lurchers for gun work, I wanted them to have as many strings to their bows as possible and prided myself in the fact they were allrounders. Of the lurchers I owned all but one were decent and didn't embarress me and in fact were superior to a lot of gundogs I seen. The other one was a first cross collie/greyhound and was better than 99% of the gundogs I met and have never seen her equal for nose and finding game. I hunted a large tract of moor and rough ground that was also shot over by a syndicate and on many occasions followed them around discreetly and found what their dogs had missed. She was the only lurcher I've seen the equivalent and better in most cases than a well bred say lab for instance but I wouldn't doubt there are more out there. What I would say though at the risk of being lynched, is that the majority of lurchers trained to the standard and capable of fullfilling the task of a gundog (and not just being capable of being controlled in a beating line) will have a strong base line IE collie or in all likliehood a gundog lurcher cross. I read this alot about these top lurchers being better than 99% of the gundogs you have seen, it makes me wonder just how much 'proper' working gundogs you have actually seen and what kind of level you have seen.? Have you still got this gundog whipper or are you training up another 1? Makes me wonder mate to think after selectively breeding my line of cockers for over 20 years I could have just bought in a selection of random mongrels that would perform better than my kenneled stock :whistling: Cockers!!! And heres me thinking you know what your talking about..... The thing is mate am not knocking lurchers, they have there specialised skills and Gundogs have theres. I'm not stupid enough to think that Lurchers (especially with alot of collie) can be very intelligent and retrieve game with ease but there are differnt levels in retrieveing game.... The day a lurcher goes behind my dogs and picks missed game will be the day i give up............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Don't be dissing the cockers mate LOL these aint your usual toy/show type these are proper sized working dogs, we where going to change there affix to Dyson cause they have noses like hoovers :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,049 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I used my lurchers for gun work, I wanted them to have as many strings to their bows as possible and prided myself in the fact they were allrounders. Of the lurchers I owned all but one were decent and didn't embarress me and in fact were superior to a lot of gundogs I seen. The other one was a first cross collie/greyhound and was better than 99% of the gundogs I met and have never seen her equal for nose and finding game. I hunted a large tract of moor and rough ground that was also shot over by a syndicate and on many occasions followed them around discreetly and found what their dogs had missed. She was the only lurcher I've seen the equivalent and better in most cases than a well bred say lab for instance but I wouldn't doubt there are more out there. What I would say though at the risk of being lynched, is that the majority of lurchers trained to the standard and capable of fullfilling the task of a gundog (and not just being capable of being controlled in a beating line) will have a strong base line IE collie or in all likliehood a gundog lurcher cross. I read this alot about these top lurchers being better than 99% of the gundogs you have seen, it makes me wonder just how much 'proper' working gundogs you have actually seen and what kind of level you have seen.? Have you still got this gundog whipper or are you training up another 1? Makes me wonder mate to think after selectively breeding my line of cockers for over 20 years I could have just bought in a selection of random mongrels that would perform better than my kenneled stock :whistling: Who mentioned random mongrels (bit of shooting snobbery coming out there) I'm talking a well bred dog in the right hands at the right time in my life, or maybe I was just lucky, there all factors I think. What I found when in gundog circles was for every twat with a terrier or a lurcher there was an equivalent one with a lab or a cocker' I suppose I'm wasting my time trying to put a point across to a guy calling himself labtastic, methinks you might be slightly breed blind mate. With regards to how many 'proper' gundogs I've seen, I would hazard a guess and say as many as you. How many 'proper' lurchers have you seen?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Don't be dissing the cockers mate LOL these aint your usual toy/show type these are proper sized working dogs, we where going to change there affix to Dyson cause they have noses like hoovers :laugh: I hope your talking about the little ones you can put in your pocket.? Now there the proper bushers.....obviously no good at picking up but you cant have everything..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I used my lurchers for gun work, I wanted them to have as many strings to their bows as possible and prided myself in the fact they were allrounders. Of the lurchers I owned all but one were decent and didn't embarress me and in fact were superior to a lot of gundogs I seen. The other one was a first cross collie/greyhound and was better than 99% of the gundogs I met and have never seen her equal for nose and finding game. I hunted a large tract of moor and rough ground that was also shot over by a syndicate and on many occasions followed them around discreetly and found what their dogs had missed. She was the only lurcher I've seen the equivalent and better in most cases than a well bred say lab for instance but I wouldn't doubt there are more out there. What I would say though at the risk of being lynched, is that the majority of lurchers trained to the standard and capable of fullfilling the task of a gundog (and not just being capable of being controlled in a beating line) will have a strong base line IE collie or in all likliehood a gundog lurcher cross. I read this alot about these top lurchers being better than 99% of the gundogs you have seen, it makes me wonder just how much 'proper' working gundogs you have actually seen and what kind of level you have seen.? Have you still got this gundog whipper or are you training up another 1? Makes me wonder mate to think after selectively breeding my line of cockers for over 20 years I could have just bought in a selection of random mongrels that would perform better than my kenneled stock :whistling: Who mentioned random mongrels (bit of shooting snobbery coming out there) I'm talking a well bred dog in the right hands at the right time in my life, or maybe I was just lucky, there all factors I think. What I found when in gundog circles was for every twat with a terrier or a lurcher there was an equivalent one with a lab or a cocker' I suppose I'm wasting my time trying to put a point across to a guy calling himself labtastic, methinks you might be slightly breed blind mate. With regards to how many 'proper' gundogs I've seen, I would hazard a guess and say as many as you. How many 'proper' lurchers have you seen?. Mate you see those whistling emoticons at the end of my post they kind of denote a piss take :wallbash: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I used my lurchers for gun work, I wanted them to have as many strings to their bows as possible and prided myself in the fact they were allrounders. Of the lurchers I owned all but one were decent and didn't embarress me and in fact were superior to a lot of gundogs I seen. The other one was a first cross collie/greyhound and was better than 99% of the gundogs I met and have never seen her equal for nose and finding game. I hunted a large tract of moor and rough ground that was also shot over by a syndicate and on many occasions followed them around discreetly and found what their dogs had missed. She was the only lurcher I've seen the equivalent and better in most cases than a well bred say lab for instance but I wouldn't doubt there are more out there. What I would say though at the risk of being lynched, is that the majority of lurchers trained to the standard and capable of fullfilling the task of a gundog (and not just being capable of being controlled in a beating line) will have a strong base line IE collie or in all likliehood a gundog lurcher cross. I read this alot about these top lurchers being better than 99% of the gundogs you have seen, it makes me wonder just how much 'proper' working gundogs you have actually seen and what kind of level you have seen.? Have you still got this gundog whipper or are you training up another 1? Makes me wonder mate to think after selectively breeding my line of cockers for over 20 years I could have just bought in a selection of random mongrels that would perform better than my kenneled stock :whistling: Who mentioned random mongrels (bit of shooting snobbery coming out there) I'm talking a well bred dog in the right hands at the right time in my life, or maybe I was just lucky, there all factors I think. What I found when in gundog circles was for every twat with a terrier or a lurcher there was an equivalent one with a lab or a cocker' I suppose I'm wasting my time trying to put a point across to a guy calling himself labtastic, methinks you might be slightly breed blind mate. With regards to how many 'proper' gundogs I've seen, I would hazard a guess and say as many as you. How many 'proper' lurchers have you seen?. Think my name represents what i know thanks very much. Your right there are twats in everyway walks of life but to say i'm breed blind is a little strange, we are talking about Gundogs.... Not seen 1 'proper' lurcher picking up game.....why cause theres no need for them. Reason= Cause there are far better breeds out there to do the job to a much higher standard. Maybe al go start a thread on the lurcher section titled "Is my Lab better than Lurchers at Catching Rabbits"......afterall i havent personally seen any lurchers catch rabbits but have seen my dog catch a few so surely he is just as good?.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Don't be dissing the cockers mate LOL these aint your usual toy/show type these are proper sized working dogs, we where going to change there affix to Dyson cause they have noses like hoovers :laugh: I hope your talking about the little ones you can put in your pocket.? Now there the proper bushers.....obviously no good at picking up but you cant have everything..... picking up no worries with these, though they aren't as specialized or as good as a lab for that task but for dogging in and rough shooting they excel far more drive and tenacity than most of the springers and labs I've seen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Don't be dissing the cockers mate LOL these aint your usual toy/show type these are proper sized working dogs, we where going to change there affix to Dyson cause they have noses like hoovers :laugh: I hope your talking about the little ones you can put in your pocket.? Now there the proper bushers.....obviously no good at picking up but you cant have everything..... picking up no worries with these, though they aren't as specialized or as good as a lab for that task but for dogging in and rough shooting they excel far more drive and tenacity than most of the springers and labs I've seen How many poults do they catch in a season when your dogging in.......? Always fancied a wee cocker for beating purposes but dont do enough of that to warrant a dog for that. Someone i know had a little cracker a good few years back, tiny little thing called 'Bramble' and she was a great little obidient worker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Here's a thought lab I have 7 cockers and I believe you have 4 labs I bet there aren't 11 lurchers on this site could beat them at their job as gundogs. funny though all these years I have kept lurchers as well as cockers and I haven't ever thought I know lets run the lurcher beating today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Don't be dissing the cockers mate LOL these aint your usual toy/show type these are proper sized working dogs, we where going to change there affix to Dyson cause they have noses like hoovers :laugh: I hope your talking about the little ones you can put in your pocket.? Now there the proper bushers.....obviously no good at picking up but you cant have everything..... picking up no worries with these, though they aren't as specialized or as good as a lab for that task but for dogging in and rough shooting they excel far more drive and tenacity than most of the springers and labs I've seen How many poults do they catch in a season when your dogging in.......? Always fancied a wee cocker for beating purposes but dont do enough of that to warrant a dog for that. Someone i know had a little cracker a good few years back, tiny little thing called 'Bramble' and she was a great little obidient worker. f*****g things peg far more than I should care to admit to I don't pick up seriously which is why I stuck to cockers if I did it would be labs all the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Here's a thought lab I have 7 cockers and I believe you have 4 labs I bet there aren't 11 lurchers on this site could beat them at their job as gundogs. funny though all these years I have kept lurchers as well as cockers and I haven't ever thought I know lets run the lurcher beating today. Well 2 of them are pups yet mate but fingers crossed they turn out good. This year i will no better and by next season i would be hoping(if need be) i could leave the big dog at home and not be thinking "f*****g wish i had him today"..... The old bitch is near 10 now but still got a terrific nose. Its a cracking partnership working her and Buzz as he is quick and covers alot of ground and i can work her in closer... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pegleg33 134 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Danw, why don't you pick up with your cockers?.Whats your breeding like? And Lab, get one trust me you won't regret it I've a fox red lab bitch which i got from a good breeder at 11 months old.I'll admit she's not that well trained as she thinks she knows better .But i have 2 cockers one of which is well bred from top trialling stock and the other I bought to train up and sell on but fell in love with .The little fella has it all and i'd put him up against any lab picking up i can work him out to a fair old distance and he's bang on the whistle and hand signals.The bitch is still young and lacks confidence so the training is slow but she's coming along nicely. If i'm honest as much as i like labs i think I'm going to stick with cockers in the future as i find them easy to train, steady when you wnt them to be and have all the gears and drive when needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Danw, why don't you pick up with your cockers?.Whats your breeding like? And Lab, get one trust me you won't regret it I've a fox red lab bitch which i got from a good breeder at 11 months old.I'll admit she's not that well trained as she thinks she knows better .But i have 2 cockers one of which is well bred from top trialling stock and the other I bought to train up and sell on but fell in love with .The little fella has it all and i'd put him up against any lab picking up i can work him out to a fair old distance and he's bang on the whistle and hand signals.The bitch is still young and lacks confidence so the training is slow but she's coming along nicely. If i'm honest as much as i like labs i think I'm going to stick with cockers in the future as i find them easy to train, steady when you wnt them to be and have all the gears and drive when needed. For picking up reasons i wont have 1 mate. I wont knock another Gundog for picking up purposes but working the Labs in that deep snow last year confirmed for me that a good strong Lab is what i'll always want to have in my kennels. When your picking up on these big shoot days its essential that you get the dog out quickly and onto another one as soon as(runners i mean).....i've seen some cockers, not many i'll add but they did struggle a little in heavy going. I wouldn't look past one for beating though...there in a league of there own there..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pegleg33 134 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Danw, why don't you pick up with your cockers?.Whats your breeding like? And Lab, get one trust me you won't regret it I've a fox red lab bitch which i got from a good breeder at 11 months old.I'll admit she's not that well trained as she thinks she knows better .But i have 2 cockers one of which is well bred from top trialling stock and the other I bought to train up and sell on but fell in love with .The little fella has it all and i'd put him up against any lab picking up i can work him out to a fair old distance and he's bang on the whistle and hand signals.The bitch is still young and lacks confidence so the training is slow but she's coming along nicely. If i'm honest as much as i like labs i think I'm going to stick with cockers in the future as i find them easy to train, steady when you wnt them to be and have all the gears and drive when needed. For picking up reasons i wont have 1 mate. I wont knock another Gundog for picking up purposes but working the Labs in that deep snow last year confirmed for me that a good strong Lab is what i'll always want to have in my kennels. When your picking up on these big shoot days its essential that you get the dog out quickly and onto another one as soon as(runners i mean).....i've seen some cockers, not many i'll add but they did struggle a little in heavy going. I wouldn't look past one for beating though...there in a league of there own there..... Try one I'll bet you 10p (I know you scottish fuckers are tight) that you'll be suprised Must admit though nothing has a nose like a lab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Danw, why don't you pick up with your cockers?.Whats your breeding like? And Lab, get one trust me you won't regret it I've a fox red lab bitch which i got from a good breeder at 11 months old.I'll admit she's not that well trained as she thinks she knows better .But i have 2 cockers one of which is well bred from top trialling stock and the other I bought to train up and sell on but fell in love with .The little fella has it all and i'd put him up against any lab picking up i can work him out to a fair old distance and he's bang on the whistle and hand signals.The bitch is still young and lacks confidence so the training is slow but she's coming along nicely. If i'm honest as much as i like labs i think I'm going to stick with cockers in the future as i find them easy to train, steady when you wnt them to be and have all the gears and drive when needed. The reason I don't train my dogs to pick up is because I never go picking up I expect them to dog in every day from july through january and on shoot days I can't pick up and run the beaters.there breeding is a mix of wernffrwd,game goer,ammerdown,maesydderwen and gwibernant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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