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cant beat John Darling, talks you through everything and makes it all sound very easy and interesting...tells you how it is...fred carter can be an anoying wanker at the best of times.....also loves the camera but a good watch none the less...although most are claimed as 'bootiful ed shot that,jus as ar fort ' when you see a huge fluff of feathers erupt from the birds chest.... but a good dvd though :clapper:

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