Malt 379 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 who kicks the owner up the ass when he gets it wrong ? If done sensibly, it's not about punishing a dog that makes a mistake, it's about a last resort when reinforcing your authority on a dog when it knows it's doing something it really shouldn't, and is deliberately trying to push it's boundaries of the master/dog relationship.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,256 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) management is always a much better option with dogs and is without a doubt the way to go with pups, the prob with correction is, the dog dont always associate it with the crime, an overly corrected dog will begin to see corrections in everything , a raised tone, a cough, loud noise, and in different situations will begin to shut down when any problem is encountered incompletly different circumstances, hitting as far as i can see , is a frustration reflex, an inability to control an animal properly, its never the dogs fault, a dog is a dog, he dont know jack shit, and so need to be managed not beaten,, Hmmmmmmm......so what your saying is if you've put in hours and hours on your dog and got it trained to a high standard and the dog just decides 1 day to say "f**k you, i'm doing it my way today" you cant hit the dog because its not the dogs fault its the owners........please explain that 1 too me please?... what i call a highly trained dog is one where i know whats going on in his mind , i know what motivates him, and i know his distractions, at no stage does a kick in the arse come into my thinking, it wont help me solve any problem i have between him and i, hope that helps,, Edited May 16, 2011 by Casso Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KenKeeping 13 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thought you were spos to be training a dog to help you out on a hunt, not BREAK it! Shit! Didn't treatment like this go out with the wild west? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thought you were spos to be training a dog to help you out on a hunt, not BREAK it! Shit! Didn't treatment like this go out with the wild west? yet another person who can't make the distinction between a giving a physical correction and a beating... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 management is always a much better option with dogs and is without a doubt the way to go with pups, the prob with correction is, the dog dont always associate it with the crime, an overly corrected dog will begin to see corrections in everything , a raised tone, a cough, loud noise, and in different situations will begin to shut down when any problem is encountered incompletly different circumstances, hitting as far as i can see , is a frustration reflex, an inability to control an animal properly, its never the dogs fault, a dog is a dog, he dont know jack shit, and so need to be managed not beaten,, Hmmmmmmm......so what your saying is if you've put in hours and hours on your dog and got it trained to a high standard and the dog just decides 1 day to say "f**k you, i'm doing it my way today" you cant hit the dog because its not the dogs fault its the owners........please explain that 1 too me please?... what i call a highly trained dog is one where i know whats going on in his mind , i know what motivates him, and i know his distractions, at no stage does a kick in the arse come into my thinking, it wont help me solve any problem i have between him and i, hope that helps,, Our breeds of dogs are obviously very different and do a completely different job........al leave it there.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thought you were spos to be training a dog to help you out on a hunt, not BREAK it! Shit! Didn't treatment like this go out with the wild west? yet another person who can't make the distinction between a giving a physical correction and a beating... ........the reason why you cant slap your children for being naughty nowadays without the fear of social services springs to mind..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pauly58 12 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Very few dogs are that hard they need physical correction but the best way I've found was the late John Holmes' technique, grab him by both sides of the loose skin on his neck & lift him up, stare him in the eyes & give him a glimpse of hell verbally. If he's really dominant & completely taking the piss, then a punch in the ribs drives the message home. I would think I've only had to do this to probably a handful of the many dogs I've trained. Tone of voice is everything with the majority of dogs & the rule is if in doubt don't use physical correction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer189 93 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Good topic ifbi say so myself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Being honest my current dog can be a little b*****d and when he was younger i found myself with my hands round his neck, shaking him in the air and pinning him to the ground and shouting into his face. Not a proud moment really but whats done. Him and me had a battle of wills for a while and i think i came close to almost f*****g up the bond. But now i'm closer to him that any other dog, he follows me about the house, sits out side the bathroom door when i shower and hates it when i leave him anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I do tap mine on the nose or the backside when they're being overly giddy - and yes once or twice I've had a swipe at the lurcher with my foot when she's been way out of line and forgotten herself - but hitting them is a no no. If I wacked my whippet he'd never come near me again, bless his sensitive little soul; a growly bellow is all I need to scare the life out of him when he needs reminding. Our Moll taught me the art of the Geordie NO and it works a treat with him I agree with the others: voice is a powerful tool. Give a dog the Voice of Doom it'll know it's in the shit house A grip of the lip or scruff is useful in some circs too. A physical correction shouldn't be done to harm; shame some folks don't know what that means. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saho-man 50 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 good topic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salukiman 28 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 i growl at the dog at the time it is commiting the offence works for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FTBBTH Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 IMO, a dog needs to really cross the line to deserve a good hit, other wise a sharp jolt or wack across the snout does the job, my whippet bitch i have never shouted at and never raised a hand to, i find with the saluki x types you need to keep on top of them and keep them in their place, and ohnestly the saluki x's dont even feel a good wack i dont think........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest vin Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Very few dogs are that hard they need physical correction but the best way I've found was the late John Holmes' technique, grab him by both sides of the loose skin on his neck & lift him up, stare him in the eyes & give him a glimpse of hell verbally. If he's really dominant & completely taking the piss, then a punch in the ribs drives the message home. I would think I've only had to do this to probably a handful of the many dogs I've trained. Tone of voice is everything with the majority of dogs & the rule is if in doubt don't use physical correction. im still chuckling ... I often use that technique myself a bit like the other dearly departed John holmes of 70s porn...Grab it with both hands,lift it up and give the missis a glimpse of heaven..LOL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old timer123 367 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 nine times out of ten a physical correction isn't required with MOST dogs, depends on the individual temperament, although saying that my wheaten brings out a side of me that reaches for the hammer........ an that from a dog trainer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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