harrygrey382 1 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) japs sacrifice ruggedness for reliability and comfort while land rovers sacrifice comfort, fuel consumption, reliability and power for erm, what exactly? This is an unusual comment. Are you saying they're not reliable? At least Toyotas, and Nissan to an extent have normally gotten stick for being thirsty, uncomfortable and slow while also being the toughest and most reliable. Certainly the toughest/most reliable vehicles ever made are the 40 and 70 series landcruisers as work vehicles (never sold in europe), and 60 series wagons. Having worked on numerous 'cruisers and land rovers I can say the toyotas embarrass land rover (and other 4x4s I seen) in terms of heavy duty build and long term reliabilty. They were never underpowered, and big motors turning low HP were very understressed - it is common for them to go round the clock (1million + km). If you feel the need maybe they like new bearings and rings at 500k km... I don't think they're any more capable off road than a LR (I may take a aguess at the 90 being the best off road performer), but when it comes to taking a beating, landcruiser come out top. With hilux close behind. I think LR went the recreational route when they went coilers - more comfortable but can't take as much punishment. The aussie army even felt the need to replace their defenders with leaf springs for toughness! landcruisers were even ECUless untill a couple of years ago - yes that's right NO FLAMING COMPUTERS. Just good old NA-mechanical-injected-straight-six-stake-your-life-on diesels. Now, the TD5... cant beat the old 4.2 landcruiser with a good set of boots on goes anywhere I guess you could say I'm with you;) Although I think the 2h (4L) is a stronger (tougher/longer lasting) motor than the 1HZ (4.2) I do have a Landrover SIIA, SI, Nissan D21 and landcruiser HJ47 though, so I like'm both ways... Sorry for the rant, I do love land rovers. Just hate coils and electronics Edited December 1, 2009 by harrygrey382 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 what you need mate is a nice hybrid project, a 100" chassis, leafer parabolics suspension,unimog axles, 4.2 toyboata engine and gear bag, and a series land rover double cab body, would take some beating as a shooting wagon, and for that matter on the off road course too, in fact i'd buy 1 if they were in showrooms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrygrey382 1 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 what you need mate is a nice hybrid project, a 100" chassis, leafer parabolics suspension,unimog axles, 4.2 toyboata engine and gear bag, and a series land rover double cab body, would take some beating as a shooting wagon, and for that matter on the off road course too, in fact i'd buy 1 if they were in showrooms yeah that doesn't sounds bad. Why unimog axles though? I'd just stick with toyota, they don't break... Got parabolics on the SIIA though, very impressed! Also, check out new Santanas - simple (no electronic engine management) and leaf sprung. Looks like a defender too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 the reason for unimog axles is height, the higher you are shooting from then usually the more you can see, and shoot at safely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ulverston moocher 60 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I use this old girl and am not disapointed I have had landrovers and all sorts and this takes some beating its economical,reliable gets anywhere and doesnt knock your pan out like a landy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 hilux is great reliable machine but can be a bit light for rough off road, landy all the way, rusty chassis and all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samearl14 11 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 what does 'a bit light' mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 try pulling a heavy trailer off or on road with a hilux, its too light for the job, landy can pull 3.5 ton on road. it would push a hilux all over the place, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samearl14 11 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 a landy pull 3.5 ton? Certainly wouldnt get much speed up. If you want something for towing then fourtrak all the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrygrey382 1 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 A landy'd be ok with if it's a V8... As for the hilux, it just needs some ballest on the tray to give it some traction Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 379 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 A landy'd be ok with if it's a V8... As for the hilux, it just needs some ballest on the tray to give it some traction WHEN I USED A HI LUX TO transport feed around the shoot it kept on snapping springs (not cheap to replace)i do addmit good on road but poor fuel consumption .The old landy with 15 bags corn in the back and 30 in the sanky trailer only gets stuck if iam daft enough to get it in the wrong place and even then all i do is uncouple the trailer and get the landy out first useing a couple of pieces of conveyer belt under the wheels then tow out the trailer with a rope.Towing off road in my experience speed dos'nt come into it.atb.PS i owned an old diahatsu F20 rag top many years ago now that was a little belta. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 after going to all the bother of bigging the 110 up, i have to sell it, it's just not big enough, just got my self a landy 130 double cab hi-cap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrygrey382 1 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 WHEN I USED A HI LUX TO transport feed around the shoot it kept on snapping springs (not cheap to replace)i do addmit good on road but poor fuel consumption .The old landy with 15 bags corn in the back and 30 in the sanky trailer only gets stuck if iam daft enough to get it in the wrong place and even then all i do is uncouple the trailer and get the landy out first useing a couple of pieces of conveyer belt under the wheels then tow out the trailer with a rope.Towing off road in my experience speed dos'nt come into it.atb.PS i owned an old diahatsu F20 rag top many years ago now that was a little belta. oh dear, sounds like you maxed it out! Well they are a lighter duty vehicle than a landy, so they should handle more weight. What you really need is a 40 or 70 series landcruiser, toughest vehicles ever to grace this earth. Just a pitty you can't get them here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 anyone use a decent quad set up, with rifle rest etc, fields way too wet for a heavy landy, quad should be or though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 379 Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 WHEN I USED A HI LUX TO transport feed around the shoot it kept on snapping springs (not cheap to replace)i do addmit good on road but poor fuel consumption .The old landy with 15 bags corn in the back and 30 in the sanky trailer only gets stuck if iam daft enough to get it in the wrong place and even then all i do is uncouple the trailer and get the landy out first useing a couple of pieces of conveyer belt under the wheels then tow out the trailer with a rope.Towing off road in my experience speed dos'nt come into it.atb.PS i owned an old diahatsu F20 rag top many years ago now that was a little belta. oh dear, sounds like you maxed it out! Well they are a lighter duty vehicle than a landy, so they should handle more weight. What you really need is a 40 or 70 series landcruiser, toughest vehicles ever to grace this earth. Just a pitty you can't get them here... Harry in the real world the landy is the vehicle i have now a wish list may be different helicopter perhaps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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