Removing Tiddlers

[SNAP SHOT 194]

Martin i have to say there looks to be a problem with that 100g sp.... didn't expand at all, and no mushroom effect....

 

very strange, thanks for the pic..

 

Now We all know the damage varminting round can cause, and they are not designed for deer use... So why use them....???

 

Too much loss of meat.....

 

intresting pics... never seen a 100g sp do that ever....

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Snap.

[john robbo 30]

Martin i have to say there looks to be a problem with that 100g sp.... didn't expand at all, and no mushroom effect....

 

very strange,

 

 

 

My guess is that the bullet has hit, then tumbled end over. hence wierd expansion.

[SportingShooter 0]

What happened to some of the other intresting picture`s that were on this thread Sporting Shooter??

 

Which would those be

[SNAP SHOT 194]

Martin i have to say there looks to be a problem with that 100g sp.... didn't expand at all, and no mushroom effect....

 

very strange,

 

 

 

My guess is that the bullet has hit, then tumbled end over. hence wierd expansion.

 

 

i'd say you were nearly right, my thinking would tend to be that the bullet was tumbling in flight or yawing slightly, due to not enough stabilization...

 

i'd take this load to the range after seeing this happen, pin a target tight to a cardboard box, not wood, as the splinters make a mess of the paper...

 

then fire a few rounds, i know 1-10 is borderline sometimes shooting these weights.... and i couldn't get them to shoot in my 1 in 10

 

once you fire at the cardboard box, try to flatten the paper back into the hole, it should form a fairly clean entry circle....

 

if it hit and then tumbled you'd expect far better expansion...

 

its a head scratcher...

 

Snap,

[Mr_Logic 5]

I've shot several roe with varmint bullets, none of them have been as mangled as that one, not even the one I hit with 58gr V-max. There was certainly heavy damage, but not like that!

 

Still, that's why I stick with neck shots where possible if I have a varmint-type bullet loaded in the 243.

[Gironsclose 0]

Why use a varmint type round on Deer in the first place Logic??

[FightTheBan 1,147]

I use .223 winchester silver balistic tips. Theyre feckin dear but i swear by them for both fox and deer, very acurate and awesome stopping power. I mainly head or neck shot deer so meat damage aint an issue, but even chest shot the damage is minimal.

[Mr_Logic 5]

Why use a varmint type round on Deer in the first place Logic??

 

Because the rifle is setup for long range fox, and I shoot only roe deer. So funnily enough, I can't be arsed with a round that'll stop a red, as I'm not shooting reds. Quite happy with neck shots, easy enough target at under 200 yards unless it's a howling gale or right at the edge of legal shooting light.

[Gironsclose 0]

Why use a varmint type round on Deer in the first place Logic??

 

Because the rifle is setup for long range fox, and I shoot only roe deer. So funnily enough, I can't be arsed with a round that'll stop a red, as I'm not shooting reds. Quite happy with neck shots, easy enough target at under 200 yards unless it's a howling gale or right at the edge of legal shooting light.

 

So from that statement we can all establish that your not a specialist but an opportunist hunter Logic.. If its there "it gets it" type of scenario

Been there myself so i know exactly what your saying.

I recall shooting a Roe Buck with my foxing gun using 50g V-max a few years ago and when it was presented to the game dealer his exact words were dont shoot any more with that stupid gun.

He did`nt have a clue what calibre i used, neither asked or cared. That was the only Deer that i have ever shot using a v-max..

I can sympathise with our Robbo only i`m sure he gets his fare share of Divi stalker so the best practice is charge the feckers a premium for the stalk as well as the carcass.

[Mr_Logic 5]

I don't specialise in shooting deer, no. Too many other things to shoot at, but I certainly do have times when I am out specifically for deer, but I haven't found a problem by being careful with such bullets.

[Gironsclose 0]

Do me a favor Logic the very next Roe, Muntjac or Chinky you shoot could you take some picture`s of the carcass please and post them on this thread.

I`m sure it would be interesting due to the type of bullet you choose to use as well as the shot placements you like to take

I`m pretty sure if you do opt for a broadside shot the carcass will look very similar to the one in our Marty`s post..

[Guest dances]

isnt a .223 illegal to shoot deer?

[SNAP SHOT 194]

Not in scotland or wales........ or so i'm led to believe.....!!

 

for the smaller species only though i think...

 

 

But then again i could be wrong.....

 

ATB.

 

Snap.

[Mr_Logic 5]

England regs apply to Wales; Scotland 223 is legal on roe.

[dicehorn 38]

 

 

i'd say you were nearly right, my thinking would tend to be that the bullet was tumbling in flight or yawing slightly, due to not enough stabilization...

 

Snap,

 

That is an interesting point Snap. If I may mention this. This was not with my 6.5 but a 22.250, I developed some rounds using a particular popular powder that produced a 5 shot group at 100 yds of less than .25" - went home and made up 10 more to try at 150 and 200 yds. The group at 150 were fine but the 5 at 200 were key holing - the bullets were starting to tumble big time.

 

The point of my post is really a warning to homeloaders especially with the fast calibres like the 243, that if it shoots well at 100 yds, dont take it that the results further out will also be consistant without trying them first..