So you must have been mistaken when you say you saw a pair co-oprativley hunting with your own eyes or had you been on the http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... ? http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
No! I don't know it all, That's why I asked how big the poults were? But I do suspect that when it comes to raptors I may just perhaps have a little more insight into them than you my friend? Spars are true accipiters, Along with the Goshawk. They are solitary hunters and only come together to breed. They cannot even be kept in the same aviary out of the breeding season when in captivity. This is because that the females show tendneces to 'hunt' the males when not in breeding condition. So seeing that they are not 'social' birds, I doubt very much that they would be co-oprativley hunting together. But then I suppose you already know all this? Being educated and imformed as you obviously are???
How big were the poults?
I am a falconer and I also shoot and have done so for nearly 35 yrs.
Lets start with the Spar! If you look at the size of the Spar it is tiny!
The largest prey item I have seen a female spar take in the wild is a feral pigeon in the town. You can discount the male spar or musket due to his diminutive size as he usually hunts song birds!
It is not possible for these little raptors to overcome larger prey on their own unless assisted by an Austringer!
Next on the list is the Tawny Owl! Tawny's can be aggressive and Yes these will take poults and can be a real nuisance at a pen when the poults are small but he will only take them up to a certain size.
Then it's the turn of The Buzzard, again these birds will only take poults up to a certain size. This is because despite their large appearance they have have relatively small feet in comparison to their size. They can and do take Rabbits but again these are usually small in size.
The only bird that rightly deserves the top spot is the Goshawk, supreme woodland specialist that does not need any help from man with what it does best, and that is catch and kill fur and feather in any terrain. As for as deterrents! Use old feed bags tied to the wire of the pen with baler twine and provide plenty of cover for the poults. Please look at things logically!
Anything with the word "Hawk" in it seems to strike fear in shooting folk. The birds hunt to survive and react to a concentration of prey items! This simplist way to combat the problem would be to put down an excess of birds but this is obviously not practical!
I hope this helps?
iv seen both musket and a female spar on poults in pens in used to look after.
Thats like saying a merlin is capable of taking a crow?? Weighing only a few ounces Muskets do not have the phyical strength or the equipment to over power large quarry! You may have seen them on dead poults, but live ones????
I saw with my own eyes on a few occasions a pair killing poults from between 8 - 9 weeks old. They were older because they were held back because of the shit weather we had down here 2 years ago
But it seems you know all so im probably talking shit it would seem http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
yeah, one was driving the poults towards the other which had set a net waiting to capture them
can you please point out where i said they were co operativly hunting? i never said they were hunting co operativly like harris hawks fool
I said i have seen both a musket and a female spar KILLING LIVE poults, not sitting on dead ones. End of. I have along with others have seen what you claimed to be untrue
I have flown harris hawks, finish goshawks, red tailed hawks, pere-saker and kestrels so dont try acting to me like the big I AM and tell me that you are better informed than me ya messer
Edited by OldNog, 26 July 2009 - 03:06 pm.