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Posted 26 July 2009 - 01:20 pm

SPARROWS take poults up to about 13 weeks of age, keepers are more worried about the stress on the rest of the pen.. tawnys imo take very few indeed, the worst is when they spook a pen of newly arrived poults in the night. buzzards will take poults upto about 16 or 18 weeks old (almost fully grown) the worst by a million miles is a goshawk, they will kill the first then take to foot and kill 10 or 20 no problem, they are the ultimate ghostly killing machine, topped by none




DEFIENETLY TAWNY OWLS (TAKEN AT NIGHT) ALWAYS TAKE HEAD OFF 1ST AND LEAVE IT IF PLENTY TO GO AT. BECOMES A BAD HABIT WITH THEM WHEN THEY LEARN THEY CAN DO IT.ALSO WILL TEACH THERE YOUNG TO DO IT.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 01:38 pm

Ive heard owls in the wood where the pen is but do know there are gos,s up there and counted 7 buzzards aswell so could be anything its only this one pen the other 2 are fine and birds are thriving!!

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 02:07 pm

I am a falconer and I also shoot and have done so for nearly 35 yrs.
Lets start with the Spar! If you look at the size of the Spar it is tiny!
The largest prey item I have seen a female spar take in the wild is a feral pigeon in the town. You can discount the male spar or musket due to his diminutive size as he usually hunts song birds!
It is not possible for these little raptors to overcome larger prey on their own unless assisted by an Austringer!
Next on the list is the Tawny Owl! Tawny's can be aggressive and Yes these will take poults and can be a real nuisance at a pen when the poults are small but he will only take them up to a certain size.
Then it's the turn of The Buzzard, again these birds will only take poults up to a certain size. This is because despite their large appearance they have have relatively small feet in comparison to their size. They can and do take Rabbits but again these are usually small in size.
The only bird that rightly deserves the top spot is the Goshawk, supreme woodland specialist that does not need any help from man with what it does best, and that is catch and kill fur and feather in any terrain. As for as deterrents! Use old feed bags tied to the wire of the pen with baler twine and provide plenty of cover for the poults. Please look at things logically!
Anything with the word "Hawk" in it seems to strike fear in shooting folk. The birds hunt to survive and react to a concentration of prey items! This simplist way to combat the problem would be to put down an excess of birds but this is obviously not practical!

I hope this helps?


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iv seen both musket and a female spar on poults in pens in used to look after.
How big were the poults?
Thats like saying a merlin is capable of taking a crow?? Weighing only a few ounces Muskets do not have the phyical strength or the equipment to over power large quarry! You may have seen them on dead poults, but live ones????

I saw with my own eyes on a few occasions a pair killing poults from between 8 - 9 weeks old. They were older because they were held back because of the shit weather we had down here 2 years ago

But it seems you know all so im probably talking shit it would seem http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
No! I don't know it all, That's why I asked how big the poults were? But I do suspect that when it comes to raptors I may just perhaps have a little more insight into them than you my friend? Spars are true accipiters, Along with the Goshawk. They are solitary hunters and only come together to breed. They cannot even be kept in the same aviary out of the breeding season when in captivity. This is because that the females show tendneces to 'hunt' the males when not in breeding condition. So seeing that they are not 'social' birds, I doubt very much that they would be co-oprativley hunting together. But then I suppose you already know all this? Being educated and imformed as you obviously are???

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 02:31 pm

I am a falconer and I also shoot and have done so for nearly 35 yrs.
Lets start with the Spar! If you look at the size of the Spar it is tiny!
The largest prey item I have seen a female spar take in the wild is a feral pigeon in the town. You can discount the male spar or musket due to his diminutive size as he usually hunts song birds!
It is not possible for these little raptors to overcome larger prey on their own unless assisted by an Austringer!
Next on the list is the Tawny Owl! Tawny's can be aggressive and Yes these will take poults and can be a real nuisance at a pen when the poults are small but he will only take them up to a certain size.
Then it's the turn of The Buzzard, again these birds will only take poults up to a certain size. This is because despite their large appearance they have have relatively small feet in comparison to their size. They can and do take Rabbits but again these are usually small in size.
The only bird that rightly deserves the top spot is the Goshawk, supreme woodland specialist that does not need any help from man with what it does best, and that is catch and kill fur and feather in any terrain. As for as deterrents! Use old feed bags tied to the wire of the pen with baler twine and provide plenty of cover for the poults. Please look at things logically!
Anything with the word "Hawk" in it seems to strike fear in shooting folk. The birds hunt to survive and react to a concentration of prey items! This simplist way to combat the problem would be to put down an excess of birds but this is obviously not practical!

I hope this helps?


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iv seen both musket and a female spar on poults in pens in used to look after.
How big were the poults?
Thats like saying a merlin is capable of taking a crow?? Weighing only a few ounces Muskets do not have the phyical strength or the equipment to over power large quarry! You may have seen them on dead poults, but live ones????

I saw with my own eyes on a few occasions a pair killing poults from between 8 - 9 weeks old. They were older because they were held back because of the shit weather we had down here 2 years ago

But it seems you know all so im probably talking shit it would seem http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
No! I don't know it all, That's why I asked how big the poults were? But I do suspect that when it comes to raptors I may just perhaps have a little more insight into them than you my friend? Spars are true accipiters, Along with the Goshawk. They are solitary hunters and only come together to breed. They cannot even be kept in the same aviary out of the breeding season when in captivity. This is because that the females show tendneces to 'hunt' the males when not in breeding condition. So seeing that they are not 'social' birds, I doubt very much that they would be co-oprativley hunting together. But then I suppose you already know all this? Being educated and imformed as you obviously are???

yep ;)

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 02:40 pm

I am a falconer and I also shoot and have done so for nearly 35 yrs.
Lets start with the Spar! If you look at the size of the Spar it is tiny!
The largest prey item I have seen a female spar take in the wild is a feral pigeon in the town. You can discount the male spar or musket due to his diminutive size as he usually hunts song birds!
It is not possible for these little raptors to overcome larger prey on their own unless assisted by an Austringer!
Next on the list is the Tawny Owl! Tawny's can be aggressive and Yes these will take poults and can be a real nuisance at a pen when the poults are small but he will only take them up to a certain size.
Then it's the turn of The Buzzard, again these birds will only take poults up to a certain size. This is because despite their large appearance they have have relatively small feet in comparison to their size. They can and do take Rabbits but again these are usually small in size.
The only bird that rightly deserves the top spot is the Goshawk, supreme woodland specialist that does not need any help from man with what it does best, and that is catch and kill fur and feather in any terrain. As for as deterrents! Use old feed bags tied to the wire of the pen with baler twine and provide plenty of cover for the poults. Please look at things logically!
Anything with the word "Hawk" in it seems to strike fear in shooting folk. The birds hunt to survive and react to a concentration of prey items! This simplist way to combat the problem would be to put down an excess of birds but this is obviously not practical!

I hope this helps?


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iv seen both musket and a female spar on poults in pens in used to look after.
How big were the poults?
Thats like saying a merlin is capable of taking a crow?? Weighing only a few ounces Muskets do not have the phyical strength or the equipment to over power large quarry! You may have seen them on dead poults, but live ones????

I saw with my own eyes on a few occasions a pair killing poults from between 8 - 9 weeks old. They were older because they were held back because of the shit weather we had down here 2 years ago

But it seems you know all so im probably talking shit it would seem http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
No! I don't know it all, That's why I asked how big the poults were? But I do suspect that when it comes to raptors I may just perhaps have a little more insight into them than you my friend? Spars are true accipiters, Along with the Goshawk. They are solitary hunters and only come together to breed. They cannot even be kept in the same aviary out of the breeding season when in captivity. This is because that the females show tendneces to 'hunt' the males when not in breeding condition. So seeing that they are not 'social' birds, I doubt very much that they would be co-oprativley hunting together. But then I suppose you already know all this? Being educated and imformed as you obviously are???

yep http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
So you must have been mistaken when you say you saw a pair co-oprativley hunting with your own eyes or had you been on the :drink: ? :D

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 02:59 pm

I am a falconer and I also shoot and have done so for nearly 35 yrs.
Lets start with the Spar! If you look at the size of the Spar it is tiny!
The largest prey item I have seen a female spar take in the wild is a feral pigeon in the town. You can discount the male spar or musket due to his diminutive size as he usually hunts song birds!
It is not possible for these little raptors to overcome larger prey on their own unless assisted by an Austringer!
Next on the list is the Tawny Owl! Tawny's can be aggressive and Yes these will take poults and can be a real nuisance at a pen when the poults are small but he will only take them up to a certain size.
Then it's the turn of The Buzzard, again these birds will only take poults up to a certain size. This is because despite their large appearance they have have relatively small feet in comparison to their size. They can and do take Rabbits but again these are usually small in size.
The only bird that rightly deserves the top spot is the Goshawk, supreme woodland specialist that does not need any help from man with what it does best, and that is catch and kill fur and feather in any terrain. As for as deterrents! Use old feed bags tied to the wire of the pen with baler twine and provide plenty of cover for the poults. Please look at things logically!
Anything with the word "Hawk" in it seems to strike fear in shooting folk. The birds hunt to survive and react to a concentration of prey items! This simplist way to combat the problem would be to put down an excess of birds but this is obviously not practical!

I hope this helps?


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iv seen both musket and a female spar on poults in pens in used to look after.
How big were the poults?
Thats like saying a merlin is capable of taking a crow?? Weighing only a few ounces Muskets do not have the phyical strength or the equipment to over power large quarry! You may have seen them on dead poults, but live ones????

I saw with my own eyes on a few occasions a pair killing poults from between 8 - 9 weeks old. They were older because they were held back because of the shit weather we had down here 2 years ago

But it seems you know all so im probably talking shit it would seem http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
No! I don't know it all, That's why I asked how big the poults were? But I do suspect that when it comes to raptors I may just perhaps have a little more insight into them than you my friend? Spars are true accipiters, Along with the Goshawk. They are solitary hunters and only come together to breed. They cannot even be kept in the same aviary out of the breeding season when in captivity. This is because that the females show tendneces to 'hunt' the males when not in breeding condition. So seeing that they are not 'social' birds, I doubt very much that they would be co-oprativley hunting together. But then I suppose you already know all this? Being educated and imformed as you obviously are???

yep http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
So you must have been mistaken when you say you saw a pair co-oprativley hunting with your own eyes or had you been on the http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... ? http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...

yeah, one was driving the poults towards the other which had set a net waiting to capture them

can you please point out where i said they were co operativly hunting? i never said they were hunting co operativly like harris hawks fool

I said i have seen both a musket and a female spar KILLING LIVE poults, not sitting on dead ones. End of. I have along with others have seen what you claimed to be untrue

ALSO

I have flown harris hawks, finish goshawks, red tailed hawks, pere-saker and kestrels so dont try acting to me like the big I AM and tell me that you are better informed than me ya messer

Edited by OldNog, 26 July 2009 - 03:06 pm.


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Posted 26 July 2009 - 03:21 pm

I am a falconer and I also shoot and have done so for nearly 35 yrs.
Lets start with the Spar! If you look at the size of the Spar it is tiny!
The largest prey item I have seen a female spar take in the wild is a feral pigeon in the town. You can discount the male spar or musket due to his diminutive size as he usually hunts song birds!
It is not possible for these little raptors to overcome larger prey on their own unless assisted by an Austringer!
Next on the list is the Tawny Owl! Tawny's can be aggressive and Yes these will take poults and can be a real nuisance at a pen when the poults are small but he will only take them up to a certain size.
Then it's the turn of The Buzzard, again these birds will only take poults up to a certain size. This is because despite their large appearance they have have relatively small feet in comparison to their size. They can and do take Rabbits but again these are usually small in size.
The only bird that rightly deserves the top spot is the Goshawk, supreme woodland specialist that does not need any help from man with what it does best, and that is catch and kill fur and feather in any terrain. As for as deterrents! Use old feed bags tied to the wire of the pen with baler twine and provide plenty of cover for the poults. Please look at things logically!
Anything with the word "Hawk" in it seems to strike fear in shooting folk. The birds hunt to survive and react to a concentration of prey items! This simplist way to combat the problem would be to put down an excess of birds but this is obviously not practical!

I hope this helps?


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iv seen both musket and a female spar on poults in pens in used to look after.
How big were the poults?
Thats like saying a merlin is capable of taking a crow?? Weighing only a few ounces Muskets do not have the phyical strength or the equipment to over power large quarry! You may have seen them on dead poults, but live ones????

I saw with my own eyes on a few occasions a pair killing poults from between 8 - 9 weeks old. They were older because they were held back because of the shit weather we had down here 2 years ago

But it seems you know all so im probably talking shit it would seem http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
No! I don't know it all, That's why I asked how big the poults were? But I do suspect that when it comes to raptors I may just perhaps have a little more insight into them than you my friend? Spars are true accipiters, Along with the Goshawk. They are solitary hunters and only come together to breed. They cannot even be kept in the same aviary out of the breeding season when in captivity. This is because that the females show tendneces to 'hunt' the males when not in breeding condition. So seeing that they are not 'social' birds, I doubt very much that they would be co-oprativley hunting together. But then I suppose you already know all this? Being educated and imformed as you obviously are???

yep http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
So you must have been mistaken when you say you saw a pair co-oprativley hunting with your own eyes or had you been on the http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... ? http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...

yeah, one was driving the poults towards the other which had set a net waiting to capture them

can you please point out where i said they were co operativly hunting? i never said they were hunting co operativly like harris hawks fool

I said i have seen both a musket and a female spar KILLING LIVE poults, not sitting on dead ones. End of. I have along with others have seen what you claimed to be untrue

ALSO

I have flown harris hawks, finish goshawks, red tailed hawks, pere-saker and kestrels so dont try acting to me like the big I AM and tell me that you are better informed than me ya messer

You said you have seen a pair killing poults aged between 8-9wks old therefore co-oprative hunting! I never mentioned Harris Hawks! And if you have flown all those birds you must know that what I say about the spars is true? So put your dummy back in and pick up your rattle because at 23yrs old your still learning? As we all are throughout life! ;)

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 03:53 pm

its all going on here in it :D :D

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 10:02 pm

Ive heard owls in the wood where the pen is but do know there are gos,s up there and counted 7 buzzards aswell so could be anything its only this one pen the other 2 are fine and birds are thriving!!



think u have it there, u heard owls in other pens as well ??????????
gos,s and buzzards cover a larger area if it was them why arnt they hitting other pens.????
u have any yew or dense evergreen in this pen fav for tawnys
used to have this every year that was in one pen only out of 8 others

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 04:32 pm

You know the things off of the top of traffic cones? The light things. I can't remember what they're called, but a keeper said to me to put them around the pen on the top of the fencing stakes and the flashing of them should keep the BOP away.

Edited by Wanna be farmer, 28 July 2009 - 04:33 pm.


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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:52 pm

SPARROWS take poults up to about 13 weeks of age, keepers are more worried about the stress on the rest of the pen.. tawnys imo take very few indeed, the worst is when they spook a pen of newly arrived poults in the night. buzzards will take poults upto about 16 or 18 weeks old (almost fully grown) the worst by a million miles is a goshawk, they will kill the first then take to foot and kill 10 or 20 no problem, they are the ultimate ghostly killing machine, topped by none



More pheasants are lost on your shoots by buggering off or are killed on the roads from what i see, but what saddens me is the inclination by many folk to poison or kill birds of prey.(even mentioned in this thread)

How would you lot like it if someone poisoned all your young poults or your working dogs!

Some gamekeepers give me the dry boak, jumped up little hitlers.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 07:44 am

SPARROWS take poults up to about 13 weeks of age, keepers are more worried about the stress on the rest of the pen.. tawnys imo take very few indeed, the worst is when they spook a pen of newly arrived poults in the night. buzzards will take poults upto about 16 or 18 weeks old (almost fully grown) the worst by a million miles is a goshawk, they will kill the first then take to foot and kill 10 or 20 no problem, they are the ultimate ghostly killing machine, topped by none



More pheasants are lost on your shoots by buggering off or are killed on the roads from what i see, but what saddens me is the inclination by many folk to poison or kill birds of prey.(even mentioned in this thread)

How would you lot like it if someone poisoned all your young poults or your working dogs!

Some gamekeepers give me the dry boak, jumped up little hitlers.

Do you know your stuff its not just poults they kill the fact that they are the apex predator the have no natural predators and up my way are out of control i counted 14 buzzards up here in no time and funnily enough there is no ground nesting birds like lapwing and curlew around anymore and keepers work dam hard and long hours to ensure we get birds reared to shoot i havent saw a single bird killed on the road and all the birds have been killed in the pen so thats them buggering off!!

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 02:25 pm

SPARROWS take poults up to about 13 weeks of age, keepers are more worried about the stress on the rest of the pen.. tawnys imo take very few indeed, the worst is when they spook a pen of newly arrived poults in the night. buzzards will take poults upto about 16 or 18 weeks old (almost fully grown) the worst by a million miles is a goshawk, they will kill the first then take to foot and kill 10 or 20 no problem, they are the ultimate ghostly killing machine, topped by none



More pheasants are lost on your shoots by buggering off or are killed on the roads from what i see, but what saddens me is the inclination by many folk to poison or kill birds of prey.(even mentioned in this thread)

How would you lot like it if someone poisoned all your young poults or your working dogs!

Some gamekeepers give me the dry boak, jumped up little hitlers.

Do you know your stuff its not just poults they kill the fact that they are the apex predator the have no natural predators and up my way are out of control i counted 14 buzzards up here in no time and funnily enough there is no ground nesting birds like lapwing and curlew around anymore and keepers work dam hard and long hours to ensure we get birds reared to shoot i havent saw a single bird killed on the road and all the birds have been killed in the pen so thats them buggering off!!


I know what you mean! I'm not far from you! There are an awful lot of buzzards up here, but are only usually troublesome when the poults first go to wood. Once the poults find their way out buzzby seems to lose interest. This may be due to the fact that buzzards are a little on the lazy side when it comes to hunting, prefering to 'still hunt' from a convenient perch. Unlike their cousins the Harris' Hawk they lack the tenacity to persue their quarry a long way. As for not having any natural predators, in holland it has been found that the remains of buzzards have been found in the nest's of Eurasian Eagle Owls which Iam sure you know is now breeding here in the UK. Just last year the remains of hen harriers were found in a EEO nest. Aftre the RSPB blamed keepers for the birds disappearance! The top avian predator in this country has to be the Golden Eagle, these birds will take falcons on a kill if they see an oppertunity to do so, so I am sure that they will take Buzzards if they get the chance. The lack of ground nesting birds is more than likely down to the change in farming practices with the first cut of the silage crop being earlier than it used to be and predation by foxes and virmin. The keepers are very busy at this time of year. Hoppers and hand-feeds 15mins either side of a set time twice daily should reduce the tendency for the poults to wander.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 04:52 pm

SPARROWS take poults up to about 13 weeks of age, keepers are more worried about the stress on the rest of the pen.. tawnys imo take very few indeed, the worst is when they spook a pen of newly arrived poults in the night. buzzards will take poults upto about 16 or 18 weeks old (almost fully grown) the worst by a million miles is a goshawk, they will kill the first then take to foot and kill 10 or 20 no problem, they are the ultimate ghostly killing machine, topped by none



More pheasants are lost on your shoots by buggering off or are killed on the roads from what i see, but what saddens me is the inclination by many folk to poison or kill birds of prey.(even mentioned in this thread)

How would you lot like it if someone poisoned all your young poults or your working dogs!

Some gamekeepers give me the dry boak, jumped up little hitlers.

Do you know your stuff its not just poults they kill the fact that they are the apex predator the have no natural predators and up my way are out of control i counted 14 buzzards up here in no time and funnily enough there is no ground nesting birds like lapwing and curlew around anymore and keepers work dam hard and long hours to ensure we get birds reared to shoot i havent saw a single bird killed on the road and all the birds have been killed in the pen so thats them buggering off!!


I know what you mean! I'm not far from you! There are an awful lot of buzzards up here, but are only usually troublesome when the poults first go to wood. Once the poults find their way out buzzby seems to lose interest. This may be due to the fact that buzzards are a little on the lazy side when it comes to hunting, prefering to 'still hunt' from a convenient perch. Unlike their cousins the Harris' Hawk they lack the tenacity to persue their quarry a long way. As for not having any natural predators, in holland it has been found that the remains of buzzards have been found in the nest's of Eurasian Eagle Owls which Iam sure you know is now breeding here in the UK. Just last year the remains of hen harriers were found in a EEO nest. Aftre the RSPB blamed keepers for the birds disappearance! The top avian predator in this country has to be the Golden Eagle, these birds will take falcons on a kill if they see an oppertunity to do so, so I am sure that they will take Buzzards if they get the chance. The lack of ground nesting birds is more than likely down to the change in farming practices with the first cut of the silage crop being earlier than it used to be and predation by foxes and virmin. The keepers are very busy at this time of year. Hoppers and hand-feeds 15mins either side of a set time twice daily should reduce the tendency for the poults to wander.

Where abouts are you? I wouldnt mind seeing your birds of prey in action sometime!!!

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 06:10 pm

SPARROWS take poults up to about 13 weeks of age, keepers are more worried about the stress on the rest of the pen.. tawnys imo take very few indeed, the worst is when they spook a pen of newly arrived poults in the night. buzzards will take poults upto about 16 or 18 weeks old (almost fully grown) the worst by a million miles is a goshawk, they will kill the first then take to foot and kill 10 or 20 no problem, they are the ultimate ghostly killing machine, topped by none



More pheasants are lost on your shoots by buggering off or are killed on the roads from what i see, but what saddens me is the inclination by many folk to poison or kill birds of prey.(even mentioned in this thread)

How would you lot like it if someone poisoned all your young poults or your working dogs!

Some gamekeepers give me the dry boak, jumped up little hitlers.
If some animal or bird was to take money out your pocket ,get you kicked out your house, kid out their school etc ,and make you look crap at your job, I bet you'd be a bit pissed off after a while wouldn't you ? not saying it right just showing the motivation behind it .alimac apparently your a jumped up little Hitler lol :clapper:

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