zx10mike

same as this. her just was not accurate and that was with 1" groups on paper.it only takes 1 flyer per box and there just not fit to hunt with.

honestly for sub 100 yards if i needed quiet i would use fac air.mine is about 35 ft lbs but i here great things about 50 ft lbs .25 fx impact.less than half the energy to stop but on a still night not much in it accuracy wise from my experience with .22lr

i gave up hunting with a 22lr a long time ago for this very reason.my ground is just not suited to that cal.i have a 17 hornet now and only head shoot rabbits and the more i use it the more i like it.safest round i have had and quieter than a hmr's i have had.if your asking the question i think you know the answer.

Dicehorn answered that brilliantly , personally i would be going down not up .if you take the time to run it through an app unless your a top competition shooter there is no point pushing for that extra 1-200 fps.its just an extra click of a turret and makes small difference on wind call.

if there the varmint grenades there a real safe expansion round.i have used them in .204 and 6mm br.i see them as a 3-400 yard bullet because that gaping meplat kills the bc and other bullets with tips just stomp them further out.

lucky bugger lol it took me years to get groups like that.very nicely done.

Agree with dicehorn, good advice.

the problem was the shot was taken about 120 yards.smashed the front leg but it still went like f*** turning and jumping.each shot to try and stop it was getting further and further away on a windy night.just to clarify not six hits.as soon as that fox make 200 + on a windy night going like a train it made life hard.not a nice experience to witness.

i have seen a guy once hit a fox centre mass with a hmr and it took 6 in total before it was finished. it was an invite out and in my opinion a heavier bullet with more energy would have stopped it the first time. the light bullet drifted in wind and hit the front leg ,the expansion caused massive injury but not to vital organs.a hevier round in this case would not have drifted as much and punched through better.like i say a hmr is ok in the right hands.

i normally cringe when i gear hmr for fox because it can go tits up.nice to read a good post with one bieng used in the right hands.

nice part of the country i used to live in alcester

go with gem pro .no gimmicks just scales.damn good ones

great scopes for the £££ light and you wouldnt know about the x20 obj looking through.not tried one with nv.

to be honest i would just use 20 grn data 3 grn bullet weight isn't going to make much difference imo you might get half a grain more powder if chasing speed.yeh meant vit pal.

plenty of load data online bud .i went with 1680 and vis 120.the 17 grn are pulled from hmr personally i would go with 20 grn. there is a forum called saubier that is a small cal forum.enjoy a great cal.